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“The Bay Horse... Discuss.”

Posted by alan | 28/08/2013 18:41:50

“Awright then here goes://...
I've lived in Cowling for 9 years, in that time I've been to the Bay Horse 3 maybe 4 times in total & not liked it. So it's closure is no loss, as far as I'm concerned, why??..
* My most memorable visit had the landlord serving me 3/4 of a pint of beer (I'd asked for a pint) with a miserable grimace meaning - that's all you're getting. So first issue is short measures. Only pubs are legally allowed to do this, not shops or supermarkets!
* The price - drinking has simply become too expensive in pubs, thanks to high duty to the government, and greedy breweries.
* The noise - I've no interest in football so I do not want it blasting out from a big screen.
> I think we all tend to have a vision of a village pub being a lovely English institution, with a hubbub of quiet happy conversation. Reality is rather different - one is likely to be assaulted by noise from TVs, or loud music, or other people who think nothing of swearing loudly - Oh yes you can say I'm old-fashioned and what does swearing matter it's everywhere now. But actually I don't like it, sorry, I don't want to be in that sort of environment.
So I'll see you in the supermarket drinks aisle - where beer is half the price.
Or possibly in the Keighley Wetherspoons, which I do go to mainly because it's en route from work to home & the Cowling bus stops right outside - at least the prices are affordable and it's quiet (maybe not late at night, I don't go then).
I think that just today the Goat's Head at Steeton has reopened after a period of closure, I do respect anyone who 'has a go' at running a pub, & indeed maybe the same will happen with the Bay horse , but on the whole, sorry to be negative, times have changed & I really doubt whether pubs can be viable any more..”

Posted by JohnH | 30/08/2013 20:47:36

“Cheaper drinks- especially soft drinks -and snacks eg.tea or coffee and soup and sandwiches for hikers etc. and a cheerful, helpful landlord/lady. The atmosphere in there not as good since it underwent a part refurb. - used to be a good old fashioned local. A great shame, as the Bay Horse was opened as the New Inn (licence transferred from the Golden Fleece at Cowling Hill) c.1818 ( with the newish main road through village) and in 1822 when Joshua Tetleys began (pls. check) it was then named The Bay Horse, formerly 2 or 3 cottages - info. welcome thanks!
If we don't use it we lose it - WELL WE LOST IT!”

Posted by Joan | 01/09/2013 12:40:46

“does anybody know anything about it's future that they can share?
rumours of it re-opening on 1st September seem to have been optimistic.”

Posted by Dave R | 05/09/2013 16:31:16

“I was brought up in Cowling and used the Bay Horse frequently, mainly when the Winstanleys were there. Sorry to hear that it is closed.
I now live in France but on a trip back this summer I called in the pub and was served a magnificent pint of John Smiths. ( The Tetleys was off), This was a Saturday night and there were only a few people in, without sufficient trade they are not viable.

Posted by Malcolm Craven | 08/09/2013 13:41:11

“Acording to Punch, the present lease, dosn't run out untill early next year, so don't hold your breath for it re opening any time soon”

Posted by alan | 18/09/2013 23:16:10

“I agree with JohnH in all respects. I did go in once for a couple of pints - and had the runs for 48 hours afterwards. That just added to the surly staff, the vast choice of two dull real ales, the general shabbiness, the lack of any convivial atmosphere.

If I were the only one who felt this way! But the complete lack of any comment on this board tells it all. It's like the death of an old cantankerous rather grimy acquaintance whom you've used and tolerated for years. You're sorry he's gone but there's always others that are nicer.”

Posted by Greywolf | 14/10/2013 21:57:53

“as regards the Bay Horse future.....It will reopen shortly in its present state. We are wanting to give Cowling its pub back! We will then be closing it in the new year for a refurb breathing an over due sense of fresh air back in to the Bay horse. Local Beer, homecooked food and great company... we thrive on local classic pubs and Cowling will not be disappointed.”

Posted by MCB | 12/11/2013 22:21:31

“That's great news, glad someone has faith!”

Posted by Martin Cave | 13/11/2013 14:18:01

“Good to hear, but pls. don't refurb too much - the atmosphere went when it was partly modernized before!”

Posted by Joan | 13/11/2013 21:47:01

“"Local Beer, homecooked food and great company".

I had some local beer there followed by 48 hours' runs.

Food? Well, it'll be an improvement. But where will you eat in the virtually zero-square-footage of non-drinking space inside?? And where will all the gastrocars park?

Let's hope the great company will not include the young, foul-mouthed, hugely noisy, at times police-attracting "great company" of the not too distant past..

A village needs a good pub. It's time this village had one. I wish it well, but with a sinking heart since I suspect my definition of "good" is not what we'll get.”

Posted by Greywolf | 15/11/2013 20:06:02

“When was it last modernised?, when they introduced electricity!!.

Posted by chris carter | 16/11/2013 12:01:20

“Electricity ? I thought that was what the donkey out back was for ?”

Posted by Mark @ Cowlingweb | 16/11/2013 12:21:10

“Hahah - not all that long ago some work did take place -resulting in what we have (had) now -then it was nicknamed the "beach hut" so I am told by the hubby - having been closed for a few weeks about 4-5yrs. ago when Keith and Jill had it the first time around (v. nice people -some of the best we have had in that place!) If the landlord from the Old White Bear is coming in, maybe we could go back to something similar - an old style pub?
From what I could find - the licence was transferred from the Golden Fleece at Cowling Hill around 1818 (new road), then called "The New Inn", and when Joshua Tetleys first started in 1822, it was then named "The Bay Horse" - anyone know any records of when it was 2 - 3 cottages before that? Will now have to try to update my pub landlords list yet again!

Posted by Joan | 16/11/2013 14:14:02

“The landlord from the Laughing House? Are you serious?”

Posted by Greywolf | 20/11/2013 16:41:12

“Well at least it should be ....FUN!!”

Posted by Joan | 23/11/2013 10:46:02

“bay horse is open thursday dec 5th, 6pm.”

Posted by b k smith | 28/11/2013 09:41:59

“How many of you would like pubs not to have piped music?”

Posted by Banks | 10/12/2013 13:28:37

“Even no piped music (bliss) won't drag me in there...”

Posted by Greywolf | 12/12/2013 23:22:57

“From the CDC planning site, an application has gone in for alterations at the back of the pub. The applicant is "Punch Taverns".”

Posted by Joan | 18/12/2013 12:24:21

“Ah, that's good old Punch Taverns, labouring under a mountain of debt, whose own directors said in September that there was "significant doubt on the ability of a significant part or substantially all of the group to continue as a going concern”. Its debt problems have been described as "vast", and I've yet to meet any pub owner / manager under Punch being other than totally pi**ed-off with their greed, incompetence and their uncaring attitude. So Cowling, there you are. Welcome the shysters with open arms and opener purses, or else the pub will close again.

We could of course, oppose the alterations, but does anyone in the village honestly care? Judging by the Great Wall of Silence that fell at the closure months back - no.”

Posted by Greywolf | 20/12/2013 00:25:47

“Maybe we should give it another try greywolf, it must be different now.
Re piped music. I don't mind that as long as it's quiet, in the background.
But another point - I'm told that background music makes it very hard for deaf folk - I mean those with hearing aids find it difficult to hear conversation above the music, -just a thought.”

Posted by JohnH | 20/12/2013 21:19:31

“Greywolf - Merry Christmas!”

Posted by Joan | 20/12/2013 21:59:58

“Greywolf - Merry Christmas! Is there anything you actually enjoy? Is life really worth living?”

Posted by Joan | 20/12/2013 22:01:24

“More water with it, Joan! Certainly life's worth living - I regularly go for my tipple outside this village, where I can enjoy both the ambience and the high quality beer, something the BH has not been too familiar with. Incidentally I note your own silence when it closed - now, why was that, I wonder? I also love good music, opera, literature, art, the countryside - all excellent things.

And you?

"The Morris Dancers". I hope they gave you a really happy Christmas.

If you are labouring under the belief that it's better to have a pub owned by a company with its hands financially not just tied but cut off, rather than no pub at all, be my guest. I'm just telling the few people who read this board how it is behind the scenes. You could have googled my information yourself. It's all in the public domain. Sorry to tell you the facts of the case, but it's better surely that the truth be known? Unless, of course, you're the Rosa Klebb of Punch taverns....”

Posted by Greywolf | 28/12/2013 17:24:23

“Anyone any idea when its closing again for the building work?.”

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